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This could also supersede MSC2228 (by making it possible to send a redaction with the /send endpoint. This is the case as mentioned here)

Implementations

Known differences between current implementations and the proposal

  • The implementations use the error code M_MAX_DELAY_EXCEEDED, HTTP 400, and a response property max_delay when the server refuses to schedule an event because the requested delay is too large. The proposal has since switched to the error code M_FORBIDDEN, HTTP 403, and publishes the maximum allowed delay in the m.delayed_events capability (so that clients can discover it ahead of making the request).
  • The implementations use the existing endpoints /send and /state with a new query parameter delay for scheduling delayed events. The proposal has since switched to a dedicated endpoint PUT /_matrix/client/v3/rooms/{roomId}/delayed_event/{eventType}/{txnId} where the delay is included in the request body.
  • The implementations use delay and max_delay rather than delay_ms and max_delay_ms.
  • The implementations use running_since rather than scheduled_at.
  • The implementations support the delegation feature by using delay_id-based authentication on the management endpoints, rather than expecting standard authentication with a user access token.

Implementations in Element Call via the Widget API

These are only informational and shouldn't be relevant for the proposal process. The MSC doesn't depend on widgets and widgets are themselves not part of the spec.


SCT stuff:

MSC checklist

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Designated reviewers:

  • Security team (requested out of band)
  • @anoadragon453 with Backend experience

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@turt2live turt2live changed the title Draft for expiring event PR MSC4140: Expiring events with keep alive endpoint May 9, 2024
@turt2live turt2live added proposal A matrix spec change proposal. Process state. A-Client Server Client-Server API kind:feature MSC for not-core and not-maintenance stuff needs-implementation This MSC does not have a qualifying implementation for the SCT to review. The MSC cannot enter FCP. labels May 9, 2024
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With the assumption that the alternative gets further information added into the MSC, this appears ready to go (though there's no comments on the M_FORBIDDEN thread 😇)

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Team member @turt2live has proposed to merge this. The next step is review by the rest of the tagged people:

Once at least 75% of reviewers approve (and there are no outstanding concerns), this will enter its final comment period. If you spot a major issue that hasn't been raised at any point in this process, please speak up!

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MSCs proposed for Final Comment Period (FCP) should meet the requirements outlined in the checklist prior to being accepted into the spec. This checklist is a bit long, but aims to reduce the number of follow-on MSCs after a feature lands.

SCT members: please check off things you check for, and raise a concern against FCP if the checklist is incomplete. If an item doesn't apply, prefer to check it rather than remove it. Unchecking items is encouraged where applicable.

MSC authors: feel free to ask in a thread on your MSC or in the#matrix-spec:matrix.org room for clarification of any of these points.

  • Are appropriate implementation(s) specified in the MSC’s PR description?
  • Are all MSCs that this MSC depends on already accepted?
  • For each new endpoint that is introduced:
    • Have authentication requirements been specified?
    • Have rate-limiting requirements been specified?
    • Have guest access requirements been specified?
    • Are error responses specified?
      • Does each error case have a specified errcode (e.g. M_FORBIDDEN) and HTTP status code?
        • If a new errcode is introduced, is it clear that it is new?
  • Will the MSC require a new room version, and if so, has that been made clear?
    • Is the reason for a new room version clearly stated? For example, modifying the set of redacted fields changes how event IDs are calculated, thus requiring a new room version.
  • Are backwards-compatibility concerns appropriately addressed?
  • Are the endpoint conventions honoured?
    • Do HTTP endpoints use_underscores_like_this?
    • Will the endpoint return unbounded data? If so, has pagination been considered?
    • If the endpoint utilises pagination, is it consistent with the appendices?
  • An introduction exists and clearly outlines the problem being solved. Ideally, the first paragraph should be understandable by a non-technical audience.
  • All outstanding threads are resolved
    • All feedback is incorporated into the proposal text itself, either as a fix or noted as an alternative
  • While the exact sections do not need to be present, the details implied by the proposal template are covered. Namely:
    • Introduction
    • Proposal text
    • Potential issues
    • Alternatives
    • Dependencies
  • Stable identifiers are used throughout the proposal, except for the unstable prefix section
    • Unstable prefixes consider the awkward accepted-but-not-merged state
    • Chosen unstable prefixes do not pollute any global namespace (use “org.matrix.mscXXXX”, not “org.matrix”).
  • Changes have applicable Sign Off from all authors/editors/contributors
  • There is a dedicated "Security Considerations" section which detail any possible attacks/vulnerabilities this proposal may introduce, even if this is "None.". See RFC3552 for things to think about, but in particular pay attention to the OWASP Top Ten.

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If a requested delay exceeds this maximum, the homeserver will respond with HTTP 400
and a [standard error response](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.18/client-server-api/#standard-error-response)
with an `errcode` of `M_INVALID_PARAM`.

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To go even further with #4140 (comment), how about returning M_FORBIDDEN & HTTP 403 even for this case of requesting a delay longer than allowed?

This would prevent needing a special case error response for delayed events being entirely disallowed, as both that case & this one would then both give the same response.

It also looks like the spec uses M_INVALID_PARAM only for parameter values that are always invalid (like a malformed room alias or MXID), as opposed to values that are disallowed by server config that may change later.

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Erm, actually, the special case would still be needed for when the maximum per-user amount of delayed events is 0, lest the response would be M_LIMIT_EXCEEDED & HTTP 429 for a limit that can never be satisfied.

But the point stands about M_FORBIDDEN & HTTP 403 potentially being more appropriate than M_INVALID_PARAM / HTTP 400.

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In the interest of progressing with the Synapse implementation of MSC4140 error codes (PR), I've committed this change as 9447ee0.

I've also updated the PR description accordingly.

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But the point stands about M_FORBIDDEN & HTTP 403 potentially being more appropriate than M_INVALID_PARAM / HTTP 400.

This sounds sensible to me.

Also reword the special case error response now that only the 0-limit
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#### `delay_id` in `unsigned` event data
The `delay_id` of a sent delayed event MUST be included in the resulting room event's `unsigned` data
if, and only if, the client being given the event is authenticated as the event's sender.

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